Thursday, January 31, 2008

Fiddle vs. Violin

First of all, thanks so much to all of you who came up to me on this last tour to tell me you enjoyed my blogs - I had no idea so many people were reading them! Now I'm all nervous. Anyways...

The most frequent question any fiddle player gets when they're performing and touring is the age-old conundrum, "What's the difference between a violin and a fiddle?" Usually when I'm pressed for time I just answer "about six pints", but for those of you who want the real answer, here it is:

Nothing.

Ok, almost nothing. I thought that would be more dramatic though. Did you get chills? I did.

"Fiddle" playing refers to the style of music being played. Basically, most styles of music that aren't strictly classical fall under the umbrella of "fiddle" playing - be it one of the many traditional Canadian/American styles, Irish, Scottish, Gypsy/Romany, etc. Some jazz violinists call it jazz fiddle, but that's just wishful thinking. (NOTE: my opinions do not reflect those of... well... anyone else. But this is MY blog.)

There are a couple of minor physical differences you MIGHT see between a fiddle player's "fiddle" and a violinist's "bassoon". These aren't present on every "fiddle", and it's really up to personal preference. Here are a few I've noticed:

1. Lower, flatter bridge.

This is mostly to allow for easier double-stops, or multi-string playing (chords). You hear a lot more double-stops in bluegrass/Appalachian playing than you do in Irish or Canadian playing. Typically though, double-stops are more directly related to alcohol consumption, so it's possible to hear inadvertent chords being played in any style. The lower bridge also allows for quicker jumping between strings which is common to all styles of "fiddle" playing.

2. Different strings.

Honestly, I really think this is mostly because no one but an orchestral violinist sees the need to pay $120 for a set of strings. (haha). Really though, different brands/compositions of strings make a huge difference in the sound of an instrument, and violinists typically go for a brighter sound while fiddle players look for a mellower, more "wooden" sound from their instrument. Again, it's all down to your own preference. There are no rules. (That's right, we're rebels. Tell your mom I'm "dangerous".)

3. Bigger body (haha, very funny. The instrument. Jerks).

I've heard people mention this before - that fiddles often are slightly bigger than violins. Again, this is just a matter of preference. There is a pretty wide range of sizes and shapes within the violin world, and a deeper body will give you a deeper, mellower tone (usually). Fiddle players who are looking for that kind of sound will often buy a slightly larger/deeper instrument to achieve it, but they're not buying a different instrument altogether! It's all the same violiddle.

..and sadly,

4. Quality of instrument.

This one's a stereotype, but a lot of stereotypes have at least an inkling of truth in them, right? Basically, the stereotypical belief is that any instrument below a certain price-range is a "fiddle"; and that all "fiddles" are generally lower quality than violins. This is a misconception - it's true that most "fiddle" players' instruments did cost them less than those of a symphony violinist, but more often than not it's a product of their priorities. Orchestral/concert violinists NEED a hundred-thousand dollar instrument; they generally use the whole range of the violin from the lowest to the highest notes, and they need all those notes to sound great. MOST fiddle players don't use more than about half the range of the instrument with any (ha) frequency, so there's less of a need to mortgage their house for an instrument that will sound sweet only to dogs. Besides, there are a TON more casual fiddle players than there are casual violinists, at least in my experience, and anyone who is casual about the instrument they're playing isn't likely to break the bank for a really good one.

That being said, there are plenty of fantastic fiddle players out there with very expensive instruments. The most expensive instrument I've ever personally held was worth more than the owner's house - and it was a very nice house, owned by a very nice Canadian champion old-time fiddle player. Many "fiddle" players who are truly serious about what they do will spend $10,000 or more on their instrument. That is, provided they don't actually play fiddle for a living - then there's no way they can afford such a nice instrument. That's what they call a "catch".

ASIDE: If I have any disgustingly wealthy readers who have $10,000 violins lying around propping open doors and catching water from leaking pipes, please allow me to relieve you of them. Also, if you just have $10,000 cash filling the same role - I'm not picky. END ASIDE.

I know this wasn't the story of my transition from "violin" to "fiddle" that I promised in my last blog - I thought I should try to clear up the difference first. See you next time.

-Brian

20 comments:

Fallen said...

Nice job of clearing that up, it was nice to hear it from a personal view, instead of a "book view." Also love your writing style if I could I would high five you.

Kate K said...

My friend I had this same conversation earlier today. He owns (and plays phenomenally) a ridiculously expensive viola, and one conversation led to another... I must say, though, your explanation was much less confusing (and, if I do say so myself, much more entertaining). Thank you for further clearing things up! Hope the tour is still going well!! Can't wait to see you guys in a month!

punker said...

great description! now when my friends ask me that question, instead of fumbling though essentially what you said i'll just give them the link to it. it's so unfair that you're both 10 times more talented and 10 times more articulate than.

SlightlyCeltic said...

Thanks for the info! Can't wait to see you guys when you get back from Ireland! Best of Luck across the Pond!

DJ said...

I got chills.

DJ said...

Another thing, I dunno if you follow American politics, but there's this stupidly rich fella named Mitt Romney who it seems will do just about anything for a vote. Maybe you could hit him up for cash... just don't tell him you're Canadian.

Sarah Jane said...

That's actually really funny that you posted this now -- I'm in teacher's college and my placement this term is in a grade 7/8 music and drama class.

We're doing instruments of the orchestra, and part of one of the listening exercises is to get the class to try to figure out the difference between a violin and a fiddle. My short answer for when kids ask "what's the difference between a fiddle and a violin" is usually "attitude". And then I'm going to illustrate by showing them Amazing Grace/Lanigan's Ball from the Live DVD.

I'm actually really looking forward to teaching this lesson. Provided I can kick the stupid cold that kept me from going to Hugh's Room this weekend. Come back soon, okay?

Kayla said...

Yikes... and people think bagpipes are expensive!!

Amber :] said...

You could write amazing books. Lots of different books, too. Depending on what you like. You could probably make anything interesting to read.

Kira said...

First of all, like a bunch of people already said, your writing style is just great. It gives me the giggles every time.

I had to go run and show this to my father today. See, we both play violin/fiddle... Whatever you want to call the darn thing. We have always gotten into bicker matches because I would call his lovely "violin" a "fiddle.” I kept asking "What’s the difference?" and his response would of course be "Violins are more expensive." I totally agree that violinists NEED a better quality instrument, but I spent a decent chunk of my college fund on my "fiddle.” Honestly, I don’t see any difference, other then the style of music a person plays. I wonder if I could ever convince my father that. Thanks Brian! And you guys better come back to Floyd VA soon!

Jonfun said...

OK, well, that explains that in a nutshell. Now you have me wondering exactly what wonderous musicial idiot, no offence, decided that it my be good to give the insturment a second name. May be it was easier to pronouce one over the other. Hmm...off to ponder.

Anonymous said...

Great blog!

Thought you might like to look at a video of some artwork set to the great west coast fiddler Ivonne Hernandez (she's a friend, we've made this video with her permission of course)

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=N14ODK7qGRA

It's about four minutes long, hope you enjoy!

Erynn said...

Darn computer went crazy on me. Now I don't know for sure if the last comment actually went through.

Basically, I, too love your writing style. Nice wording, and wit, kept me interested the whole time even though I do tend to skip over most explanations. I didn't this one.

And it's great to know more about the actual difference between the two. But I still think that "fiddle" is an awesome word to say whereas "violin" kind of gets caught up and stumbles along the way.

Momo said...

Since you added the player thingy, I can't even log onto the talk board! HELP!! :0(

audrey lynne said...

Thanks for the great show in Floyd!

tomás maol said...

Brian, thanks for the technical info on the difference. i have been listening to fidddle music for 66 years, and started off with some of the best. My father was a Donegal fiddler who played the Irish dance hall circuit in NYC the 1930's, and of course he played it at home. One of the first records I bought was Seán Mcguire and the four star quartet. Yhe best definition of the difference between a fiddle and a violin is this: "A violin sings, a fiddle dances." Amen to that. I have been doing Céilí dancing for 40 years. See you again at the Great American irish festival, and thanks for helping make it one of the 10 best in the world.
Tomás Maol
tommaol@localnet.com

Emmy said...

Hey Brian,

Just discovered the new ETH website and blogs; awesome! I met you at Northampton at Pearl Street yesterday, and I really enjoyed talking about fiddling and sessions and Catharsis.

This is a great post, and very informative. I agree with Sarah Jane: When someone asks me the difference about classical violin and fiddling, I usually tell them attitude, a short but sweet answer.

You mentioned that in your next post you might be detailing your transition from violin to fiddle - that would be awesome, and I'm looking forward to hearing about it. I'm in the process of transitioning from almost pure trad to more Celtic rock myself, and it's always fun to hear how everyone else gets there as well. For me, it's kind of like ornamentations gone absolutely wild! :o)

See you in Boston!

Cheers,
Emmy

Tara said...

Thank you for an AMAZING show in Burlington last Thursday!

Freekama said...

You should post more...

Paul said...

Brian,
Really enjoyed your last 2 shows at Pearl St in Northampton and MCLA.
This is off topic but just wanted to pass on some info.
I was the guy that tossed you the SJ Maple Leafs jersey at the end of the MCLA show Friday.
Don't want you to think I was tossing you some grungy old jersey. It's actually a goalie practice jersey I got from the Maple Leafs. Not sure which goalie for SJ wore it though.
It was part of my collection. I thought a Toronto boy like yourself has to be a Leafs fan. Sorry they got bounced out of playoffs last night. Enjoy the jersey. We certainly enjoy your shows.
Looking forward to seeing your show in Chatham in May.
Paul